can I use my canadian pardon as record of criminal charges?

Madeitbcposted 7 years ago

Hey: I have been getting pardons for 20 years (5 years each time). I received a canadian pardon in 1994. Each time when I have applied to get my waiver, I have used an updated copy of my pardon record (from the parole board of canada) to show them what my criminal charges where.

Is this still sufficient?

Or do I have to do the following

"CERTIFIED COPY OF YOUR NATIONAL CRIMINAL HISTORY FROM OTTAWA. To do this you will file Form C216C and then you will get back forms P-PE-811 with attached criminal convictions on Form C-480-11. If you received a PARDON. you need to File a Privacy Act Request you do this by checking the box Privacy Act on the fingerprint Form C216C. You will have to Complete and sign a Privacy Act, INFO SOURCE, and personal information request TB350-58. Clearly state on this form that you require: Copy of RCMP Criminal Record Data holding including active Criminal History, Pardon record and Archived records

Thanks beforehand for any advice that comes my way

Replies (recent first):

John you have zero credibility so don't even go there. You have a lot of bad knowledge about border crossing cases.you give a lot of bad advice. People don't know since they not in the industry. You do a disservice to the people that don't know.

Thing is I try to get people cleared for life and make less money if they get lifetime clearance. You try to get them to be repeat business. Let people decide who they want. I have the confidence that they will make the right decision.

You are lacking in confidence and people can see that.

K scott replied 5 years ago   #33

John you really need to get a life. I agree with Hats Boots..although I didn't turn anything. John you really need to leave me alone. I don't want you nor do I want to date you. I am into women.

You seem to have a strange interest in me. I don't have time for silly posts..so please leave me alone and focus on helping the people..which is all I want. Stop being jealous. YES WE HAVE Locations in Canada and England..fucking get over it and run your business. Stop being so jealous. I worked many long years to get to this point.

Stop being so butt hurt when i say Discount Waiver Company. Do you own one? Focus on you and not me. Yes we can do things and provide services that you cannot. It is a fact of life so get over it.

This is really getting silly. Smh

K scott replied 5 years ago   #32

@hatsbootshatsboots ... yes i agree i was reading both companies website and i made a call to ken scott since im located calgary. he was highly reffered by friends that are in toronto and since they got ripped right off by and from john rogers that sang a song of bs too them he lied about there process of waivers after he took there money and what you know they got denied ..they places a call to ken and he told them the truth on time and process and what you know ken fixed johns screw up and got it done ken charged a pretty penny but my friends said it was well worth it. when i called ken scott and talked to him about my friends and the forum he stated john is jealous and i told them about him about my issue he explained his strategy and i hired him on the spot .. i highly recommend ken to anyone and also to the guy that said he is pricy he is. But well worth it

Agreed replied 5 years ago   #31

So sad how both of you @John Rogers and @Ken Scott turned this forum into a joke. Shame!!

There are people out there who need help for US waivers. One acts like a tough guy and the other seems to think it's a game.

This forum needs to be closed or at least a moderator needs to ban both of you.

HatsBootsHatsBoots replied 5 years ago   #30

@Ken Scott, when you and your one employee does childish stuff like this....how does it help your credibility? Your post is 13:58 and then then hi fruity is 14:13 and who is is 14:18.

Just a coincidence? After reading that, do you think anyone is going to take you seriously?

John Rogers replied 5 years ago   #29

John Rogers is a discount waiver company working out of a welfare office ... Ken Scott is the man ... anyone please call the numbers that ken puts up and go see his people he charges more but gets it done .... remember you get what you pay for this john guy talks like some nerd and I cant stop laughing at that comment about his mother being banged .. im sure she is number 1 on the yorkdale strip

WHO is John Rogers replied 5 years ago   #28

Well john rodgers u keep talking this tough guy that you know it all and im sure i will make some calls and we can have this situation handled real quick just keep talking u fucken ugly cracker before i bang ur mother infront of u and put my dick in ur mouth after so u can taste it ... u punk bitch keep it up scammer

Hi fruity john roger replied 5 years ago   #27

#26...Sorry to burst your bubble John...but this is not my guy..lol My people have better things to do than to ring you up for moronic games..lol..Do you think that you are really that important? lol

I thought that you were busy yourself since you took time out of your busy schedule to bash the guy? You are upset again because the guy essentially used the name Discount Waiver Company without using the actual words.

#24 Yes please just discuss your stuff with me only. It seems your case is complex and I ask you to discuss with us only and not post here. Complex cases are done differently and we use certain methods that I do not list anywhere. I already had that Toronto company try to cash in on us so I am now even more careful than before.

Btw John...everyone that is on our internet radio show is real and their stories are real. Why would someone call you up to just ask about me?? hmmm

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K SCOTT replied 5 years ago   #26

@No Dummy nice name, but why do you write like...your a dummy? You write and sound exactly the guy who goes on Kens podcast, and pretends to be some tough gangster dude. You also sound like the guy from BC who calls and pretends to be interested in waivers, but always ends up asking about Ken. Same voice as the guy from the radio show too. And you even work in a line about "$199 waiver companies". Is that a thing?

Ken can you find something for your neanderthal sounding sidekick to do? I thought you guys were busy?

John Rogers replied 5 years ago   #25

Ken Scott I gonna call you to talk about my case. I not too concerned with the money as I pissed
with what happened to me. I need someone that knows how to do hard cases and mine is really
hard. I did 10 years inTexas for Cocaine and smuggling people. Give me your number and address. I can come by the Surrey office since I live in Mission. I aint trustin these $199 waiver companies with my future.

No Dummy replied 5 years ago   #24

If a person pays $1800-$2500, then everything should be done for them for that price. I would not call that a ridiculous fee per se....People know or should know that you get what you pay for essentially...Generally, if you pay low fees, then you may get low quality with only a few exceptions. Also, it will depend on what is being done for him. It would be too much money for a simple case I agree. However, a very complex case does require more work and we do charge more for complex cases since that is what we often get in Surrey.

People don't seem to understand that you are paying money for a very important document that legally allows an inadmissible person to enter the United States. It is not something to be taken lightly since it can impact a person's future ability to lawfully travel. Also, it can impact their future on possibly getting a Greencard by applying for an unneeded waiver. We have saved so many people from making this mistake in life.

In England, we will be charging that amount in British Pounds since it is more work doing a waiver on a case from outside of Canada. So I don't think it not so much the cost...It is more of what they are providing to the person in terms of service and the quality of their work. Now it is a travesty if they charge this much and provide poor quality service!

We do 100% of everything for a client literally and the only that they do is sign and pay. These Toronto waiver companies are the ones damaging this industry. Seems like they will do anything to get a client. This even includes either telling people that September Letters don't exist or that they can get one knowing that they do not know how to get them for complex cases or even simple ones.

There is more than enough business to go around for everyone.

K SCOTT replied 5 years ago   #23

I had a client in my office who wanted me to check a waiver from Federal Pardons.

On top of the ridiculous fees, the client had to get his own court documents, and white his own personal letter.

I said "Its not a service, its like a waiver fantasy camp where you do all the work".

Pardons Canada does obtain the court documents, but they take forever to finish the waiver, and they are another one that makes you write your own letter. Lazy.

John Rogers replied 5 years ago   #22

Federal Pardons at 2727 Steeles Ave, is well known for lying about everything. They tell people anything they want to hear, and rarely deliver a Pardon or a Waiver. If they do come through, it takes years...and the average cost is $1800 to $2500 by the time they nickle and dime a person..

Michelle replied 5 years ago   #21

@kscott

Specifically, I am thinking about offering a 100% money back guarantee on September Letter cases only. The person will get a 100% refund of whatever they have paid us if they do not get a September Letter. Plus, their next waiver case will be done by us at no cost. This will also apply if we tell them that they will get a September Letter but they only receive a waiver...Essentially they got everything for free.

This is actually the only 'ethical' way to do this business. If someone applies for a waiver, they should get a waiver. If they pay because you tell them they will get a September Letter, and they do not, they get a waiver instead, that's not ok. They should get what they paid for, unless cautioned that "your probably going to get a waiver, but you MIGHT get a September letter".

Anyone who applies for a waiver through me, who is not successful gets their waiver re-done free (except for fingerprints and the Homeland Security fee) EVEN if I told them their chances were not good going in. My policy is about "getting what you paid for". Period.

John Rogers replied 5 years ago   #20

This is shoddy. If someone tells me 'wrong information' i get very specific about who is telling the client the information. A 7 year waiver does not exist, and I am surprised you weren't more curious as to the source.

"Pardons Canada..or something" its not Pardons Canada. (On St Clair) They have their own issues, but they don't make up 7 year waivers, they like to pretend there are 10 year waivers.

Scotia Pardons has a main office in BC and one in Oakville and I find they are misleading and their waivers are shoddy. Its not a Toronto thing at all, again, if you have been around as long as you say (and I only heard of you a couple of years ago) you should know the history of the Pardon and Waiver market. Very few companies do "just waivers". Court Agents run by Larry Bendavid comes to mind, and he had a similar structure to yours. High prices, focused on waivers.

Almost all others were structured around Pardons, but also did waivers, which led to waivers being extremely slow and very shoddy in many cases. But there was 'common price point' that most companies hovered around. McDonalds and Burger King don't charge exactly the same price, but you know they are priced similarly. There is no 'regulated' burger price, but you do not got to Mcdonalds and pay $100 for a burger.

John Rogers replied 5 years ago   #19

I believe that the name was something like Pardons Canada or something. Also, there is no such thing as industry standard since the industry is not regulated....Hence anyone can charge whatever price they see fit. What really pisses me off is that they tried to take some of our material/knowledge and tried to undercut price by being deceptive like you said. I can say low-cost waiver company I suppose.

Anyway, the big point here is that they 100% lied to this guy and he will get a denial because I know that they will not properly prepare his packet. I won't even elaborate on the fact that it has not been 5 years since his conviction. There is no such thing as a 7-year waiver.

Unless he qualified in other areas(which he didn't), there is no chance he will get a lifetime clearance for Extortion and Kidnapping period. We cannot even get him or anyone a lifetime clearance for those offences, unless a person qualifies in other certain and limited areas. Luckily, I caught another guy that almost fell prey to this scam.

Also, my experience starts from 1998 but perhaps I can backdate it to 1995 since that is when I graduated from the law enforcement academy and worked for and with the feds on these inadmissibility issues. Our experience actually comes from hands-on experience from working in the field for the government with much more complex things besides inadmissibility waivers.

I am mulling over a new policy because of these crooked Toronto waiver companies. Specifically, I am thinking about offering a 100% money back guarantee on September Letter cases only. The person will get a 100% refund of whatever they have paid us if they do not get a September Letter. Plus, their next waiver case will be done by us at no cost. This will also apply if we tell them that they will get a September Letter but they only receive a waiver...Essentially they got everything for free. I am thinking of making this effective in Oct 2018 since our Birmingham UK location should be busy by then. No Toronto business will be able to match/afford to do this.

This is one way to help shut down these crooked Toronto competitors since they are giving the industry a bad name.

K SCOTT replied 5 years ago   #18

You should absolutely state which company told him this. Is it a Pardon and Waiver place? What they are saying is deceptive and incorrect and they need to be outed. Tell me who they are and I will call them and see if that is what they are saying. Lets make sure the client got his facts straight too.

As an aside, stop calling them "discount waiver companies", its deceptive and manipulative. We are promoting transparency and ethics here. "Discount waiver company" is a term you made up, and its a term to indicate if a company charges less than you, they are "discounted".

I have been doing waiver since 1996. I have always charged a fair price but also what I consider close to the industry standard. If you are charging much more than the rest of the industry you belong to, then your not "the normal price" and everyone else is not discounted.

A Toyota Camry or Honda Accord are not "discounted" cars. My fees and Michelle's fees are not "discounted". If your giving sound advice, there are no need for deceptive language and tricks.

John Rogers replied 5 years ago   #17

Btw you cannot just apply to the border and ask for a September Letter. The packet has to be prepared to show why you do not need a waiver and you have to add in the appropriate supplements to indicate as such. You also have to indicate why you feel that you qualify for a September Letter. This is also based in part upon which relevant government regulation that your issue may fall under. If you do not, then you will not get what you are seeking. This applies to mostly the complex cases where they will issue a September letter for. Simple cases are different where if you have let's say a DUI for drinking or simple assault, you do not even have to go through the process.

These letters are complex to get and you really have to know what you are doing to get them...assuming you even qualify for one.

I spoke to a guy yesterday about something that concerned me. He used a Toronto Discount Waiver Company that guaranteed he would get either a 7 Year Waiver or a lifetime clearance. The issue is that his convictions are for Kidnapping, Extortion, and PPT. They only charged him $650 and his convictions are from 2015. Some of these competitors are taking stuff from our site and trying to make money from it. So, we have developed a new service where we turn around waiver denied cases. I don't want to mention the name of the Toronto company.

I screened his possible other qualifying areas and told him there is a 100% that he will not get a lifetime clearance for any of those convictions. I also told him that a 7 Year Waiver does not exist and that there is a strong possibility that he will get denied anyway. He was adamant based on what the girl told him. I told him to contact us if he is not happy with the end result from CBP and we can turn around his future denial.

K SCOTT replied 5 years ago   #16

#11 We are doing the same exact case on someone that had a ppt conviction at 16. We are trying to get him a September Letter. The one thing is that they did not know about it until he voluntarily told them at the border about it. They do have to be prepared a certain way since CBP knew that he was 16 when he had the PPT conviction and the guard just told him to apply for the waiver.

There is a provision that may work to get around it. Just FYI.

K SCOTT replied 5 years ago   #15

Thank you both for the advice.

When I called at age 16 I just called the nearest boarder so it was probably a customs officer. She asked me a bunch of questions like the name of the court house, address, what my convictions were etc. And said I was inadmissible. I’m assuming she made a file and downloaded it into her system.

I may try to cross before I apply for a waiver just so I can know for sure if I will actually need one. Nearest Boarder is only an hour drive away so harm in trying. Of course if they ask me any questions I will be truthful and explain the situation. I just need to get a passport first.

I’ll keep you posted.

Waiver1 replied 5 years ago   #14

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